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Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 1418	Posted - 2014.05.04 20:36:00 - [1] - Quote Hmm, to be honest, I'm not quite sure what to make of this given the name that was defaced in this instance. Like most, my reaction is disappointment that something built by CCP has been defaced by what most of us would see as an immature and irresponsible act. On the other hand, when it's Xenuria's name, that adds a layer of complexity to the situation that doesn't make it as simple as "the guy who did this is an [whatever expletive you like]". If I had been the victim of one of the worst forms of an abhorrent crime in real life, I'm not sure how I would feel having my name (even a gaming name), on anything, alongside someone who has a reputation in the community for connection with those things (rightly or wrongly). I don't personally know Xenuria from anyone else and have had no dealings with him one way or the other. However, knowing the reputation attached to that name, I can potentially be sympathetic to the person who did this, depending on the actual reason why. It's a terrible outcome either way. As a large gaming community, not everyone in it is going to be an upstanding, ethical and honorable person irl. For the most part, we don't have any knowledge of other players outside the game, so have no reason to suspect anything in relation to anyone. Not as simple here though. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 1418	Posted - 2014.05.04 20:47:00 - [2] - Quote The Slayer wrote: No see I can't get behind this sort of attitude at all. For one, if the guy was/is a pedophile its not for you and I to punish him for it. Had he actually committed any crimes he would have been arrested and tried for those crimes and been given an actual criminal punishment for them. As is all you have right now are some silly rumors floating around on the internet. Now don't get me wrong, the guy is a TOTAL sleazeball and I want nothing at all to do with him. But ** this attitude of "oh hey someone on the internet said hes a pedo that must be true". Also "rightly or wrongly"? So even being accused of a crime now means you are tarred with that brush forever in your eyes? Nice to know. Thats not what I wrote, nor the intention of what I wrote. There is a lot of jumping to conclusions in this thread thst the person responsible for the act is an ******, jerk, whatever. Im just of the view, that here, it isnt as simple and there may be understandable reasons why someone would deface that name. It's not acceptable and isn't an acceptable outcome, but mitigating factors may exist that means we should all hold off on making judgements about the person, even though we can all condemn the act of defacing CCPs property. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 1418	Posted - 2014.05.04 20:58:00 - [3] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: In any case, there's still no excuse. Even if the anger was justified, the act was not. Then we're of the same opinion. There's a lot of judgements being made here about the person who did this. Hate the act, but lets not jump to conclusions about the person unless we eventually find out who and exactly why. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 1425	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:20:00 - [4] - Quote Cygnet Lythanea wrote: Defacing property is so much more serious than attempting to end someone's life in the world of goons? I like where this thread has gone. Community outrage --> internet lawyering ---> crimes against humanity and attempted murder ---> Grrr Goons. It always comes back to Grrr Goons. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 1425	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:30:00 - [5] - Quote Cygnet Lythanea wrote: Well, if it wasn't the Goons who are up here saying that it's a horrible crime that needs prosecuted, with what can only be called staggering hypocrisy, you wouldn't have the Grr Goons step. You always have the Grrr Goons step. It's the only constant on the forum. It should be officially called the "Grrr Goons Constant" and be given a value. There should be a formula derived to determine the number of pages before "Grrr Goons" appears in any thread. Something of the form: N = Grr Goons x f(x) Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 1426	Posted - 2014.05.05 00:47:00 - [6] - Quote Cygnet Lythanea wrote: So, he didn't get on stage and present a power point presentation geared toward harassing someone until they committed suicide? Sure he did deliver a powerpoint presentation (what it was geared towards or not is where controversy comes into that whole issue). But that's not what the previous post was about. It was about you lacking knowledge of the law. In terms of lacking knowledge of the law - it equally applies to almost all of us here. Internet lawyering and interpreting any issue in terms of legal implications is funny. I like funny (I'm being Gallen Tollen again). Quote: (A very, very serious form of internet harassment that carries the maximum sentence, and at the very least can be argued as intent to commit even if proof could not be offered that he had indeed done such a thing) Under what criminal code? Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 1428	Posted - 2014.05.05 01:11:00 - [7] - Quote Cygnet Lythanea wrote: http://www.ncsl.org/research/telecommunications-and-information-technology/cyberstalking-and-cyberharassment-laws.aspx Here's a list. Though this one is just for the United States Ah, I see. Please explain to me as a layman, how any of that US law relating to cyberbullying and cyberharrassment apply to the delivery of a presentation to a group of people in a real venue, in a different country, can actually apply. Also, if it's not too much trouble, please click on any of the actual pieces of legislation linked and let me know how they are relevant. What criminal law was violated? I just clicked on 3 of them and can't read into the actual text, how any of it applies to what was done a couple of years ago at FanFest. As a result, I'm still a little clueless about the value of internet lawyering. Can you help me out? Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 1429	Posted - 2014.05.05 01:40:00 - [8] - Quote Cygnet Lythanea wrote: As to which one applies it would depend on the victims location. The US has this weird thing that they consider the 'location' of crimes committed involving the internet to not be where the person committing the crime was, but where the victim was. OK, but how does an internet law apply to a situation that didn't occur within the internet? How does the issue of intent, which on clicking those laws, all of them included from what I can read as a layman, apply? Is there any way in your deep knowledge of the law as applied to the internet, that you can just even explain in simple terms how an actual quote from any of that legislation applies to The Mittani situation, to conclude that it was "A very, very serious form of internet harassment that carries the maximum sentence". Because as far as I know, The Mittani has never been charged with any offence for what he stupidly did; and no one has ever been able to explain to me in simple, factual terms what actual criminal code applied to his dump actions. Any chance you can stop talking in general terms and actually explain it factually based on an actual criminal code? I struggle with internet lawyering because in my experience it leads to grose exaggerations, but I'm always open to be shown where real law applies. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 1432	Posted - 2014.05.05 04:31:00 - [9] - Quote Mara Rinn wrote: Scipio Artelius wrote: If I had been the victim of one of the worst forms of an abhorrent crime in real life, I'm not sure how I would feel having my name (even a gaming name), on anything, alongside someone who has a reputation in the community for connection with those things (rightly or wrongly). Are you claiming that Xenuria committed some abhorrent crime in real life? No, not at all. I was saying, it's difficult to judge the person who did this without the facts, even though we can all hate the act and see permanent ban as the appropriate outcome. People do stupid and dumb things. Even people who later regret their actions. Calling the person scum, etc. doesn't serve much purpose. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 1432	Posted - 2014.05.05 04:35:00 - [10] - Quote Asia Leigh wrote: Sounds like he is, and he was about to provide all the proof he has to confirm it, Right? You are wrong if that's what you believe I was saying. Go back and read my early posts in this thread. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 1434	Posted - 2014.05.05 04:47:00 - [11] - Quote Andski wrote: [quote=Scipio Artelius]yo let's not pretend that the guy who did this was doing it in protest of being listed alongside somebody merely rumored to have done a bad after choosing to gloat about it on twitter Yo, I'm not pretending anything, but neither am I presuming anything about the person, even though I hope they are identified, banned and costs to repair the monument are recovered from them. They could very well be... ah who cares. Take my statements however you like. Extreme judgements in our community help fuel controversy. It was clearly a Goon and you are all the same. End of/. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 1434	Posted - 2014.05.05 05:06:00 - [12] - Quote Cygnet Lythanea wrote: Scipio Artelius wrote: It was clearly a Goon and you are all the same. End of/. IF it did turn out to be a goon, the forum would probably break from all the sudden 180's from posters. As long as you were able to recognise that my remark was sarcastic, then sure, I totally agree - though the actions of a single person don't reflect on the character or actions of the group as a whole. However, if you thought that was a statement of my true opinion. It wasn't. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 1462	Posted - 2014.05.07 05:25:00 - [13] - Quote Miichael Epic wrote: However....your "Concord" consequence is not a consequence at all. You can just warp and cloak after like, what? 45 seconds? poof...problem solved. No, this isn't correct. The mechanics don't work this way at all. A ganker has 100% assurance of losing their ship. They are not allowed to avoid Concord and there are mechanisms in place to prevent them from avoiding Concord. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 1462	Posted - 2014.05.07 05:40:00 - [14] - Quote Miichael Epic wrote: (p.s. I've seen someone do it in the Nemesis, so there has to be a way around Concord) That may have been a while ago as I think the mechanism now prevents warping. However, that aside CCP have ruled that avoiding Concord is not allowed and if you do and are reported, it is a bannable action. I'll see if I can dig up the ruling and edit it back into this post. EDIT: Right on the Concord mechanics evelopedia page. Second paragraph. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 1463	Posted - 2014.05.07 06:03:00 - [15] - Quote Miichael Epic wrote: 100 mil for ya as promised....appreciate you actually writing a response that required thought. Umm ok. I don't need the ISK, so I donated it to James 315 to buy shares on your behalf. Hope that was ok. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari . -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦)

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